Consent: 7 reasons why guys don’t understand it

In this fantastic post from, David Wong describes how he, like all young men, was subtly trained to view sexual consent as irrelevant. Daily life – even the Bible – shows women in a permanent state of consent, only withholding it as a manipulative ploy sometimes. If you have teenage kids (or you are teenaged) it’s especially thought-provoking.

How men are trained to think sexual assault is no big deal

The following sentence applies regardless of when you read this: A famous man has recently been accused of doing sexual things to a woman (or many women) without consent. At the time of this writing, it was a politician’s “groping” scandal but next time it’ll be unwanted dick pics a powerful man sent to an intern, or the spreading of hacked photos of some actress, or a famous athlete getting sued by a woman whose accusations didn’t get anywhere with the police. And, in fact, I bet there isn’t a single female reading this who hasn’t been the victim of that sort of thing.

Well, here’s something you should know:

I was taught from birth that this behavior is exactly what women want.

We’re still teaching boys that, every day. Here’s what the lesson plan looks like:

1 – “Forcing Yourself On Women Makes Them Love You”

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Remember how everyone said it was great that they cast a female star in The Force Awakens, because it’s good for little girls to have role models?

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So we all agree that pop culture heroes do influence young people, right? That’s why diversity in casting is so important, all that?

All right, so here’s the first lesson I got on sexual consent. I was six years old. My hero and lifelong role model, Han Solo, approaches a woman who has told him at every opportunity that she’s not interested. Han comes up from behind and presses his body against hers. She’s a strong woman, a fighter, so she physically shoves him off …

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Undeterred, Han moves back in, grabs her hands, and starts rubbing them. She says, “Stop that,” and looks nervous. When he doesn’t stop, she clearly says it again. He still doesn’t stop. Romantic music plays …

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This exchange follows:

  • Han: What are you afraid of?
  • Leia: Afraid?
  • Han: You’re trembling.
  • Leia: I’m not trembling.
  • Han: You like me because I’m a scoundrel. There aren’t enough scoundrels in your life.
  • Leia: I happen to like nice men.
  • Han: I’m a nice man.
  • Leia: No you’re not. You’re …

And he kisses her. Note: Her head is pressed up against a metal wall …

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… and all of this occurs in a sealed spacecraft floating in the cold vacuum of outer space. Even if she wanted to leave, she couldn’t (because of the implications). The result of this encounter is that she falls in love with this man and they spend the rest of their lives together.

Hi, I’m David Wong, and I’ve been conducting a 40-year experiment on men’s toxic attitudes toward women, mainly by living my life with lots of them swishing around inside my skull.

Now, because I am so unspeakably old, the film I’m referencing above is from the ancient days of 1980. Society has advanced a great deal since then. Hey, did I mention that when I found that clip on YouTube, the ad below it was for the “Sexy Princess Leia Slave Costume”?

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Sexy. Slave.

I mean, everybody gets this, right? The fantasy isn’t that she’s showing skin; the fantasy is that she didn’t choose to wear that. She’s a princess, she’s regal, she’s a noble warrior … and now we’re going to masturbate to her wearing a humiliating, skimpy costume that she was forced to put on, presumably under the threat of death by rancor.

But back to the groping thing.

I’d estimate that 95 percent of the action movie cool guy role models of my youth molested women into loving them at least once. James Bond did it in … every movie, I think? In Goldfinger (1964), he rapes Pussy Galore in a barn, which causes her to abandon her life of crime and join his side. In The Mask Of Zorro (1998), a woman tries to kill Antonio Banderas, and in response, he strips her naked with his blade and forces a kiss. As a result, they fall in love.

Actually, rather than recount the thousands and thousands of examples of the “Assault Them Until They Love You” seduction method, I’m going to prove how prevalent this is by rattling off a list of examples using only Harrison Ford’s filmography:

In Blade Runner (1982), he slams a woman (or female replicant) against a wall after she tries to leave, and then forces her to say “Kiss me.” She acts terrified, right up until they start having sex.

In Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984), Ford snatches a fleeing woman with his whip and yanks her back to him. They fall in love.

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How many previous fleeing women has Indy practiced this on to not leave her torso a bleeding mess?

In Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade (1989), he forces a kiss, the woman pulls away and says, “How dare you kiss me?” and then kisses him back, passionately.

Long before I was old enough to date or even had female friends, it was made more than clear: In any relationship, men are the predators, women are the prey. Their expressions of fear and rejection — including defensive physical attacks — are a coy game to be overcome, like a tricky clasp on a bra.


2 – “Asking Permission Is A Sign Of Weakness”

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20th Television

If you’re wondering, no, I’ve never in my life groped a woman who didn’t grope me first. This is not because I was a gentleman who cared about consent. If you’d cornered me in high school and asked me why I hadn’t just grabbed a girl at a party and made her kiss me, I’d have said it was because I wasn’t cool enough, or hot enough. “I’d have to lose weight and make the football team to do something like that!”

I was told that the guys who held back until they had permission were the pussies, the cowards, the nerds.

That was told to me both by people in my life and by lots of the movies and shows I saw back then. Here’s a screencap from one sitcom from back in the day of a girl saying, “There’s nothing less sexy than a dude asking if he can kiss you.”

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20th Television

And when I said that show aired “back in the day” I of course meant fucking 2012. That’s from an episode of New Girl.

For every “No Means No” PSA I’ve come across, I’d say I’ve encountered, oh, about 10,000 messages saying/implying that nothing is sexier than a guy who doesn’t wait for consent.

Sure, I get what the female actress voicing the words of some male writers was trying to say there: that girls like guys who are attentive enough to know what she wants before she says it. He shouldn’t need to be told why she’s mad at him, or what she’d like for her anniversary, or whether or not she’s ready for the next step. Emotional intelligence is sexy, and there’s nothing sexier than a guy who cares enough to pay attention to the subtle cues.

You know, the way Han Solo knew that Leia secretly wanted him to back her into a corner and force himself on her. The way he was able to detect that all of her many prior rejections and coldness was all a test to find out if he could see past the facade.



3 – “Women Like To Be Pursued, And Thus Always Play ‘Hard To Get'”

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If you went back and found me at the age when I realized I knew absolutely everything — 20 — and asked me to explain gender roles, here’s what I’d have told you:

In this modern world, the quality of a woman’s life is overwhelmingly dependent on what kind of man she can attract — a woman married to a capable man is simply going to have a higher standard of living, period. Her self-worth is thus based largely on how desirable she is to men, and on how many men are pursuing her at any given moment. The need for more suitors is due to the law of supply and demand. It is to her advantage to create competition by tempting as many men as possible, then making it difficult for any single one to gain her attention.

Thus, women gain power through rejecting men, and those rejections have nothing to do with how they truly feel.

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“Hmm, you’re right. My disinterest in you emotionally, physically, and mentally has been an excuse.
Make sex to me. Make sex to me right now!”

This, I’d have said, is also the reason most “slut shaming” comes from other women. If a female hops in bed with any guy who comes along, it lowers the value of female attention/sex for all women. The price of gasoline would drop pretty fast if one supplier started giving it away. So, much like OPEC, women culturally collude to keep the value of sex and female companionship high by making it artificially difficult to acquire it. This is why Princess Leia’s wealthy, royal peers would disapprove of her spreading her legs for a “scoundrel.”

Conversely, Han Solo is a hero precisely because he sees through this artifice, and knows exactly how to confidently stride past those barriers. The primary attractive traits in males are physical strength and aggressiveness, and he knows that Leia’s feigned resistance is a test of those attributes. You can see the full sequence in each of the clips I linked earlier: The female fights, the male demonstrates his physical superiority, and the female acknowledges his suitability as a mate and willingly gives in. “You have proven you are strong enough to have me.”

And dammit, this is how it really worked back in the good old days, when men were men and women were women! Like in that famous photo from V-E day, in which the heroic fighting man celebrates the end of the war by kissing the first beautiful broad he sees!

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Alfred Eisenstaedt/Life MagazineU-S-A! U-S-A!

Wait, you knew they were strangers, right? Now look at this photo taken a split second before. See how she playfully pretends she’s not into it? Wow, what a good actress!

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Alfred Eisenstaedt/Life Magazine

Ha, her little clenched fist is adorable! And look at all the approving smiles of the crowd behind them — men and women alike, agreeing this is wholesome fun.

4 – “Everything Women Do Is Intended To Stoke Male Hunger”

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Here’s the first porn magazine I ever owned:

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Sports Illustrated
It was that exact issue. That’s Kathy Ireland. Jesus, those eyes.

There was no internet in the 1980s, and actual porn was risky to own if you were a kid in the Midwest. That was the genius of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue: It gave Middle America something to masturbate to under the cover of reading about sports. Everybody knew what was going on, obviously. In many of the photos, at least part of the swimsuit was missing, the woman cupping her naked breasts with her hands, pouting coyly at the camera. Maybe a thumb hooked around her bikini bottom, like she’s about to pull it off.

Likewise, when women in bikinis turned up in movies, they existed purely as titillating jerk-off material for the teenage boys in the audience. Literally every single image of a woman in a bikini I saw outside of a swimwear catalog was presented in this way, as something for us to drool over.

Something we couldn’t have.

Stoking our appetites, advertising a product.

And by now, you know what the product is, right?

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Universal Studios
You can keep watching this GIF loop, it’s not going to happen.

So after having lived my entire life with the clear understanding that this is an outfit women wear to make men want to ejaculate, what thoughts do you think went through my dumb young mind when I went to the beach and saw real women wearing the same? Do you think I was able to see them as humans instead of coy manipulators?

The completely rational reaction from any of those women at the beach would be, “I’m not wearing it for you, perv, I’m wearing it because I’m swimming, and this is swimwear! What do you want me to wear, a burka?”

There is no good answer. Everyone should be able to wear what they want, but acting confused by the ravenous thoughts that pound through the brains of nearby males is to ignore the cultural context they grew up in. She says her outfit makes one statement, while virtually 100 percent of posters, magazines, movies, TV shows, songs, music videos, billboards, video games, poems, novels, etc say it makes another.

Sure, the guys can control how they act at the sight of the outfit, but they cannot control how they feel — it’s been programmed in as an involuntary physical reaction, a hormonal trigger. Thanks to a lifetime of cultural training, a bikini is the bell that makes the dog salivate.

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Playboy, Sports Illustrated
If you couldn’t see the name of the publication, which would you guess is porn?

Now tie this in to the pervasive belief that women are always simultaneously attracting us while pretending they don’t want us. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that the “I’m only wearing this as swimwear” line is nothing but one more bit of strategic playacting?

Now realize that it’s not just bikinis that have been turned into a fetish. There’s an entire porn subreddit that’s nothing but girls in yoga pants. Here’s one that’s girls with glasses. Go do a google image search for the word “schoolgirl” — you’ll be looking at a bunch of fetish pics and, sprinkled throughout, photos of actual children.

This is why no statistic about the prevalence of sexual assault could ever surprise me. And note that I’m using the definition of the term that includes things like groping. But when I was growing up, I was told:


 5 – “Sexual Assault = Guy In An Alley With A Knife”

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Let’s be clear: During my formative years, I was absolutely taught that rape was wrong, many times. But “rape” was defined as a man with a ski mask in an alley forcing himself on a stranger under the threat of violence. “Date rape” was a term I’d heard, sure, but it was either when a guy drugged a woman or got rough with her — situations wherein she’s left with a bloody lip and torn clothes. If you’d asked me to define date rape at the time, I’d have said, “It’s like what James Bond did to Pussy Galore, only if the guy wasn’t handsome.”

If someone had come in and told teenage me that “groping” a woman or forcing kisses was a form of sexual assault, I’d have been very, very confused. You just called most of the action heroes of my childhood serial rapists! “And what if it makes her fall in love with him?”

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Eon Productions
In real life, he gets put on her majesty’s sex offender list.

I never, in any of my public school years, had a lesson saying you needed to wait for verbal consent before touching a woman. I saw the quarterback of the football team slap girls on the butt, I saw guys reach around and grab girls’ boobs as a prank, I saw mistletoe hung over doorways and was told if you and a girl stood under it, she had to kiss you. One time when we were playing volleyball at the beach, Dr. Dre ran up and unhooked a girl’s bikini top.

Again, I never did any of those things. Not because I thought they were wrong, but because I was too nervous.

And I fucking hated myself for it.

Have I mentioned that yet? How much shame I felt at the time for not being a “real man”?


6 – “All Sex Outside Of (Heterosexual) Marriage Is Wrong”

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Wait, what does this one have to do with groping or consent? Glad you asked, because I think everyone misses this.

Talk radio shithead Rush Limbaugh made headlines after the infamous Donald Trump groping accusations by saying this:

“You know what the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is? One thing. You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it’s perfectly fine. Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there’s no consent in part of the equation, then here come the rape police.”

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Also known as “the police”.

I’m curious to know how many of you kind of agree with him, versus how many of you got a chill down your spine. I switched from the former to the latter exactly half way through my life. To a large part of the nation’s Christian population, what he’s saying still makes perfect sense.

See, it wasn’t up to Hollywood or public schools to teach me morality. For me — and virtually everyone I knew — that came on Sundays at church.

I never got one sermon or Sunday School lesson on sexual consent.

“What, so they taught the congregation to be rapists?”

No! They taught that all sexual activity outside of heterosexual marriage was equally wrong. So yes, rape was punishable by eternal hellfire. But you know what the punishment was for having consensual intercourse before marriage? Also eternal hellfire. Premarital handjob in the back of a car? Eternal hellfire. Oral sex at any time? Eternal hellfire. Homosexual sex? Eternal hellfire. Masturbation? Eternal hellfire. There was no gradient to the sins or punishments — everything was black and white, and virtually everything in the black category was totally consensual.

Two people “consenting” to perform a sinful sexual act was no different from two people conspiring to rob a bank.

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Yuk Ching Lee/iStock
It doesn’t matter which act you wore the mask for, you’re still going to hell.

Either the act was pure in the eyes of God or it wasn’t, and the only pure sex act was married intercourse (and note that many of the married women in the Bible had been bought like livestock). Thus, there was no reason to talk about anything else. If they taught a lesson about how forcing a woman to kiss you is wrong, that’d have been implying that consensual kissing was okay (and premarital kissing = eternal hellfire).

This is why so many of you are confused by the Christian criticism of gay marriage, the “They’ll be marrying children and animals next” bit. They genuinely don’t understand the difference — that a homosexual partner can consent, but animals and children cannot — because to them, all of those acts are equally impure. Remember when people implied it was hypocritical for Jennifer Lawrence to complain about stolen nude photos while also posing nude for a magazine? Same deal — if you grew up hearing that all naked photos are sinful, what difference does it make if the woman consented to the sin?


7- “Boys Will Be Boys”

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Explaining someone’s actions is obviously not the same as excusing them. Saying that the behavior is shockingly common doesn’t excuse it either. The point of this isn’t to defend [insert subject of most recent scandal here], but to prevent people from insisting that guys like him are rare, incomprehensible monsters.

They’re not. Lots of guys grope. Lots of guys who don’t will masturbate to rape porn. Lots of guys who don’t do that, still happily masturbated to the stolen “Fappening” pics. Lots of guys who didn’t do that still see James Bond movies as wish fulfillment. Lots of guys who don’t, still didn’t see any problem with that Han Solo scene until I pointed it out.

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These waters run deep.

The writers of all these movies and ad campaigns would say they didn’t invent a damned thing, that males have testosterone and will have certain urges at a certain age, even if they are raised on a desert island. And because the urges are natural, anything that appeals to those urges must also be — boys, after all, will be boys. Those boys will then grow up and write movies and ads which portray their sexually frustrated adolescent fantasies as if they are everyday reality.

But what’s the alternative? Censorship? To force women to cover themselves, like in Saudi Arabia?

No, the alternative is to recognize that ridding guys of toxic attitudes toward women is a monumental task.

I’ve spent two solid decades trying to deprogram myself, to get on board with something that, in retrospect, should be patently obvious to any decent person. Changing actions is the easy part; changing urges takes years and years. It’s the difference between going on a diet and training your body to not get hungry at all.

In the meantime, to act like it’s crazy that a particular guy doesn’t see the clear line between consent and assault is misguided. The culture has intentionally blurred those lines and trained that man to feel shame for erring on either side.

You have to start teaching kids that consent matters from Day One.

Now let’s put this depressing subject aside and enjoy this scene from Ratatouille. In it, the hero forces a kiss with a girl, she pulls out pepper spray to fight him off, then realizes that she loves it:

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We have a long, long way to go.

7 Reasons So Many Guys Don’t Understand Sexual Consent by David Wong was published on Cracked dated November 03, 2016

Cracked invited their readers to submit further movie/TV examples where guys grope/kiss girls without consent:  Forum link (topic now closed.)

34 thoughts on “Consent: 7 reasons why guys don’t understand it

  • 2017.07.22 at 13:35

    I love this article. Feminists ‘know’ what rape culture means & implies, but its so culturally ingrained that everyone else thinks we’re overreacting. When it’s pulled apart like this, it’s easier to see – and it probably helps that it’s written by a man using his own childhood as evidence.

  • 2017.07.25 at 19:49

    Great article! I think there is some missing information in the part about the church but I agree with the overall statement that if the only thing you’re teaching people about sex is that anything but married sex = hell, it desensitizes them to the gravity of a sin like rape. That’s why Pope St. John Paul the II wrote the Theology of the Body explaining the wonder and beauty of consensual sex (and yes, it is describing consensual sex within the confines of marriage, but within the “confines” of marriage for all the right reasons, not for the reason of chaining up a woman like livestock to be used for a man’s pleasure). Most of all it talks about Jesus’s interaction with the woman who committed adultery (check out John 1:11). Theology of the Body is definitely worth a Google, but again, I think this article hits the nail on the head in identifying the horrific effects of an incomplete religious education on marital love, a concept that is centered on consent, because to love someone means to choose them, and love goes both ways (if she didn’t choose you, she doesn’t love you!). Thanks for the insight, truly. Well done.

  • 2017.07.29 at 03:09

    I totally agree with everything you say … AND at the same time, here’s the unfortunate truth. Women swooned over that scene between Han Solo and Princess Leia. It turned us on. I once went out with a guy that I didn’t find all that attractive. But he was confident. And at the end of the date, he pinned me up against my front door and kissed me. And it was HOT. Aggressive, yes. And really, really sexy. And my inner feminist would love to say that a man should ask permission, but … my biology apparently feels differently. So yes, I think you are correct AND … women do kind of want a guy to throw us over his shoulder and carry us off into his cave to have his way with us. Not just ANY guy, of course. Just the guy we’re attracted to. And definitely the guy we SHOULDN’T be attracted to, but are. Because we all swoon over the bad boy. Read any romance novel. It’s true that guys grow up with mixed messages. We want you to want to rip our clothes off, but we also want to feel safe that you won’t. Women are complicated. And we’ve confused the heck out of men. We know this. We’re still trying to sort it out ourselves.

    • 2017.07.29 at 17:46

      You don’t think that has anything to do with the fact we grew up with these media messages, too?

      One of the posts in my backlog is about how everything David describes also applies to violence (and women’s suffering) … The handsome prince? The scary beast who is a gentle soul inside; the returning hero; the valiant explorer, the irresistibly arrogant hero – they aren’t very nice people, are they.

    • 2017.10.24 at 15:56

      In my dating days I thought I felt this way too. I thought “It’s kind of boring if he asks to kiss me, right?” But I’ve realized over the past several sexual abuse scandals that yes, I think I’ve been programmed to think that way by the very same messages in movies and TV discussed in this article. I suppose I can’t be sure, as I’m married to my best friend who I trust completely with our physical relationship to the point that we can go off of nonverbal cues. But I would hope that if I were thrown back into the dating world I’d have a higher respect and attraction for men who made this their method.

      What a great article. Thank you!

    • 2017.12.13 at 15:03

      Intensity/ excitement is not intimacy
      Obsession/ jealousy is not caring
      Control is not security

      This is the information that we need to counter the Notions popular culture has taught girls, teenagers women, for decades and decades. In movies, popular music, novels, romance novels, magazines, advertising, Etc feel free to add to this list

    • 2017.12.16 at 22:10

      It’s not that you are biologically programmed to like aggressive men. It’s that you also learned from movies that aggressive sex is exciting. You don’t want all dates to end that way; only the good ones that you have already established sexual interest in and in the right environment. If a rando did that to you in line at a cafeteria, in front of your family, or at work, it would not be so exciting or rewarding.

    • 2017.12.17 at 15:46

      I love this, and my favorite part is “We want you to want to rip our clothes off, but we also want to feel safe that you won’t”. Perfect.

    • 2017.12.19 at 15:23

      ‘AND … women do kind of want a guy to throw us over his shoulder and carry us off into his cave to have his way with us. Not just ANY guy, of course. Just the guy we’re attracted to. And definitely the guy we SHOULDN’T be attracted to, but are.’- why do you say women want this? It appears you have said that it’s an essentialist/ biologically hardwired thing in women. The article points out the socialization of men. Do you think that being attracted to the guy you ‘shouldn’t be attracted to’ may come from impact of socialization of women?

  • 2017.08.03 at 21:40

    What amazes me is that we have normalized porn, joked about it, absorbed it into our culture, made movies about it, make someone who finds it offensive as a bigot, made stars out of it’s participants….and the whole basis of porn is the “use” of another person for their own pleasure. Men are trained that it’s their duty to give in; and to be assertive. It is accessible all across the internet for all ages. Generations today and tomorrow will continue to be evangelized by the porn industry thus producing more and more men who abuse and use women. And women who think that’s their role — to please. We’re in a sad, sad state.

  • 2017.10.21 at 16:02

    great piece! thank you.
    clearly, the line between fantasy and reality has been almost erased.
    it may help everyone to bear in mind that sex is very impersonal and very personal, at the same time. biology is impersonal; as an example a tracker person told me an interaction they witnessed in the forest between a stag and a doe – the stag in rut attempted to mate but the doe repeatedly rejected him and failed to cooperate, and eventually he killed her, perhaps unintentionally.
    personal sex, where you know the other person very well and there is mutual doting, is much better for everyone. when you know someone that well, you may well be able to accurately interpret their nonverbal messages.

    lastly, the late activist bill moyer ( told me about a key practice he developed to confront his male privilege programming. he would find 10 things he was wrong about every day, and say so out loud. after he died, i tried it. very effective and amazingly liberating.

    • 2017.12.10 at 17:54

      Bill Moyers is still very much alive.

      • 2017.12.12 at 15:52

        William Moyer died in 2002….Bill MoyerS is still alive 🙂

      • 2017.12.12 at 18:22

        That’s what I thought, too. But click on the link that Muriel gives. Different guy from the TV personality.

  • 2017.10.21 at 19:44

    What a nice idea! It would make a great companion to the day’s gratitudes/affirmations for those who do them – balance is everything. Thank you for your comment.

  • 2017.10.31 at 07:45

    I worked out that a single solitary guy who is active only 2 days per week can group 30,000 women in a career. This can make it seem like there are many growers, when in fact there are a few prolific and habitual growers. Lots of guts DO NOT grope.

    It is a lot about hormones. It doesn’t take a long time to get rid of the urge. The urge fades gradually from age 30-80 with decreasing male hormones and relatively more nurturing hormones.

  • 2017.11.21 at 13:31

    I have an example for you from way back – the 1960s. A song by two posh English gentlemen in suits, in which the rape of a teenage girl by and old man is described and depicted as fun. Here is a link to the YT video of the song, and the lyrics.

    ARTIST: Flanders and Swann
    TITLE: Have Some Madeira, M’Dear

    She was young, she was pure, she was new, she was nice
    She was fair, she was sweet seventeen
    He was old, he was vile, and no stranger to vice
    He was base, he was bad, he was mean
    He had slyly inveigled her up to his flat
    To view his collection of stamps
    And he said as he hastened to put out the cat
    The wine, his cigar and the lamps

    Have some madeira, m’dear
    You really have nothing to fear
    I’m not trying to tempt you, that wouldn’t be right
    You shouldn’t drink spirits at this time of night
    Have some madeira, m’dear
    It’s really much nicer than beer
    I don’t care for sherry, one cannot drink stout
    And port is a wine I can well do without
    It’s simply a case of chacun a son gout
    Have some madeira, m’dear

    Unaware of the wiles of the snake-in-the-grass
    And the fate of the maiden who topes
    She lowered her standards by raising her glass
    Her courage, her eyes and his hopes
    She sipped it, she drank it, she drained it, she did
    He promptly refilled it again
    And he said as he secretly carved one more notch
    On the butt of his gold-headed cane

    Have some madeira, m’dear, I’ve got a small cask of it here
    And once it’s been opened, you know it won’t keep
    Do finish it up, it will help you to sleep
    Have some madeira, m’dear, it’s really an excellent year
    Now if it were gin, you’d be wrong to say yes
    The evil gin does would be hard to assess
    Besides it’s inclined to affect me prowess
    Have some madeira, m’dear

    Then there flashed through her mind what her mother had said
    With her antepenultimate breath
    “Oh my child, should you look on the wine that is red
    Be prepared for a fate worse than death”
    She let go her glass with a shrill little cry
    Crash! tinkle! it fell to the floor
    When he asked, “What in Heaven?” she made no reply
    Up her mind, and a dash for the door

    Have some madeira, m’dear, rang out down the hall loud and clear
    A tremulous cry that was filled with despair
    As she paused to take breath in the cool midnight air
    Have some madeira, m’dear, the words seemed to ring in her ear
    Until the next morning, she woke up in bed
    With a smile on her lips and an ache in her head
    And a voice in her ear ‘ole that tickled and said
    Have some madeira, m’dear

    • 2017.12.13 at 20:56

      Let’s not exaggerate, hm? As was pointed out on the youtube link you so kindly posted:

      “it’s not about rape – it’s about seduction. Notice that the young woman wakes up the following morning with a “smile on her face”. Women subjected to the horror of rape don’t smile afterwards. The man in this song is dishonourable, to be sure, but – thankfully – he’s not a rapist.” It was also pointed out that the age of consent in the UK is 16, so not even statutory rape.

      It is extremely difficult to separate rape culture from wit. I mean this sincerely. But we cannot go to the extreme of finding offense everywhere. Sorting it out is much harder than simply crying RAPE, but will result in a better world.

  • 2017.12.04 at 20:04

    fucking crap from womens lib.Dont come here and put all men in the same catagory,that is very wrong.

  • 2017.12.09 at 17:21

    That last example was not a good one. He hardly FORCED a kiss on her. He was pushed by a rat into her and was off balance so didn’t pull back right away. Not the same thing as a forced kiss – at all. The rest of the article is very thought-provoking.

    • 2018.01.18 at 07:58

      Did _she_ at that time know that he was being controlled by a rat? No. As far as she’s concerned, in that moment, a forced kiss from, no less, a babbling lunatic she believes to have betrayed her to their workplace superior is _exactly_ what she’s being subjected to. Why the hell else would she be reaching for that pepper spray?

      I love the movie Ratatouille. The rest of it is beautiful and thought-provoking and heartwarming and has lots of interesting things to say about creativity and our relationships with the other species we share this planet with.

      But that scene is the perfect example of Wong’s point, when you see what’s really going on there. In a family movie, no less. See how pervasive this stuff is?

  • 2017.12.09 at 20:06

    All the entertainment he cites, the bikinis, the movies, the porn, even the release of stolen photographs, was created by men. So this is older men misleading younger men, women not understanding why they feel free to pinch and grope our bodies, women feeling used, undervalued, even unsafe and threatened, then men saying nobody understands women. The problem for young men has been created other men, not women.

  • 2017.12.10 at 14:39

    This was so insightful. I haven’t seen it deconstructed this way. I don’t see the entertainment industry doing anything about it, but educating the public could definitely change the way media is viewed.

  • 2017.12.11 at 16:43

    It starts at about 4 or 5 years old for male boys and its mostly the primary care taker that puts the blame ,shame and punishment on boys behavior. To understand this outside of gender studies (womans studies) you will need to take a hard look at male psychology from an unbiased position. Stop the physical and psychological abuse of young boys in our culture.

  • 2017.12.11 at 17:03

    It’s been fairly well established that rape is not a sexual act, but rather one of aggression. Why isn’t powerful men exposing themselves to unwilling women not considered aggression as well? The same goes for groping/inappropriate kissing, etc. These are acts perpetrated out of a lack of respect and consideration for women. I believe it was Hawaii Senator Maisie Hirono who said that men need to stop thinking of women as “toys.” Toys are inanimate objects, not human beings – case made.

    • 2017.12.13 at 05:10

      Rape is definitely an act of sex.

  • 2017.12.13 at 05:09

    Good article but extremely biased and bigoted in spots. Not sure what you have against the Word of God, but guilt I suspect.

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  • 2017.12.15 at 02:02

    Re: The Han and Leia kiss. That was NOT a “forced” kiss, even if you overlook the fact that it’s fiction. Han leaned in very slowly; Leia had all the time in the world to tell him no, to turn her head away, push him away, or tell him “get off me!” And the scene as the camera pulls back has her hand on the back of his head – this is not a forced kiss! By giving her plenty of time to say “no” with the slow lean-in, Han definitely waited for consent. In this particular case, NOT saying no gives implied consent.

  • 2017.12.15 at 15:24

    WELL DONE! Thank you!

  • 2017.12.17 at 21:07

    Let us not forget the famous General Hospital’s Luke and Laura in the 1980’s. Luke raped Laura and then they fell in love. Their wedding episode was watched by 30 million viewers and remains the highest-rated hour in American soap opera history.

  • 2018.03.09 at 10:39

    I’m not even a dude, and I get these messages – but from the flip side.

    It took one of my guy friends spelling it out for me that the reason they refrained from constantly hitting on, groping, or attempting to force themselves on me was because they respected me as a human being. Can you IMAGINE that shit?! And all that time, I’d thought it was because I was some kind of hideous, bloated beast-monster.

    Actually, I still think that from time to time. Still, it totally changed my outlook on relationships and sexual interactions.

    Honestly, this stuff isn’t positive attention, and I recognize that now. But it’s amazing how nobody ever just teaches that simple message to their teenage kids. Seems like we could avoid a lot of self-esteem issues and budding douchebaggery if we made it easier for people to learn the lesson in their most formative years.


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